tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3381314.post5524538582716825715..comments2023-10-11T10:08:09.664-05:00Comments on Willful Grace: Turning Gaygracehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16353719852472577554noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3381314.post-27737930201939312222008-10-21T17:42:00.000-05:002008-10-21T17:42:00.000-05:00I am now turning in my office chair -- and I am ga...I am now turning in my office chair -- and I am gay. I am turning gay. ;-DRoberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01971598850180370407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3381314.post-62466413333531243432008-10-21T17:13:00.000-05:002008-10-21T17:13:00.000-05:00Just meant to say Pam,Please don't bite off AL...Just meant to say Pam,<BR/><BR/>Please don't bite off ALL your fingers in attempting to stop jumping in when someone says "turned gay".<BR/><BR/>If you bite off all your fingers, you won't be able to blog any more & that would be a great loss :-DIainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685228974985888660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3381314.post-43747734232042360322008-10-21T15:29:00.000-05:002008-10-21T15:29:00.000-05:00David: Hey guy!! YES....assumptions. That's it ...David: Hey guy!! YES....assumptions. That's it right there. Assumptions with absolutely no basis in fact OR reality. I'm the first to admit that there's so much we don't know about how and why some people are gay.....but surely we've come further than THIS.gracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16353719852472577554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3381314.post-33831552043514942202008-10-21T13:33:00.000-05:002008-10-21T13:33:00.000-05:00It's amazing the assumptions that go behind these ...It's amazing the assumptions that go behind these sorts of things, isn't it? Love ya, Pam!Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14005260344579507716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3381314.post-82347014483003337812008-10-21T10:12:00.000-05:002008-10-21T10:12:00.000-05:00"...just give me some time to work my magic...."LO...<EM>"...just give me some time to work my magic...."</EM><BR/><BR/>LOL!Norm!https://www.blogger.com/profile/10925789885737585791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3381314.post-23058745961827300522008-10-21T08:42:00.000-05:002008-10-21T08:42:00.000-05:00HCT: Congratulations on the new addition to your ...HCT: Congratulations on the new addition to your family! I'd love to see pictures after the arrival!<BR/><BR/>Norm!: I wish now I'd had my wits about me to have responded with "oh...just give me some time to work my magic...." <BR/><BR/>Curlz: You are right in that I'm finding that many people in this part of the country don't consider gay people as real, live human beings. They are like an enigma or something...it's odd and very unsettling.<BR/><BR/>Carol: Right. I did happen to meet someone a few weeks ago (HERE...in SULPHUR), who said he was bisexual. He shared this with me only because he was with a girl at this gathering, and he knew that I recognized him as being gay. It would be difficult to fully explain the way the conversation went so I won't attempt it. And it is difficult to wrap my mind around it but then, I don't really need to...I guess. I personally would not be comfortable dating someone who was bisexual...but maybe that's just me.<BR/><BR/>QU: thanks!gracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16353719852472577554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3381314.post-30170160042618678752008-10-21T08:16:00.000-05:002008-10-21T08:16:00.000-05:00great posthttp://www.queersunited.blogspot.comgreat post<BR/>http://www.queersunited.blogspot.comQueers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3381314.post-15906305859938322902008-10-20T21:50:00.000-05:002008-10-20T21:50:00.000-05:00Dear Pam - there are so many misconceptions about ...Dear Pam - there are so many misconceptions about someone who comes out, and some of the people believe that one "turns gay." Still others assume only that there is only one "gay lifestyle," defined by wild and crazy, frequent, indiscreet same-sex activity. These same people never consider that although sexual orientation is a given for each individual, behavior can be loving and committed, monogamous and long-lasting, whether it is gay or straight. <BR/> <BR/>Still, although the natural attractions stay the same for most people, some gay men who have been married to women explain that although one is gay, and has always been gay, that during their marriages, they participated in and demonstrated love. This does not mean someone is bisexual, but rather that love can prevail for a time, but the orientation is still constant.Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14545146592743875490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3381314.post-81858252481150700772008-10-20T21:40:00.000-05:002008-10-20T21:40:00.000-05:00First of all - I would like to smack that guy in t...First of all - I would like to smack that guy in the face! How completely insensitive!! You shared a very tender part of your life experience and he said just about the stupidest thing I can imagine anyone saying. I hope you enjoyed your dessert!! You deserve it.<BR/><BR/>As usual, you make some wonderful and valid points. People do not have a clue because they don't know the human being, only the stigma.<BR/><BR/>Hoping the best for you in all things ~ CurlzCurlzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10250222920395684646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3381314.post-71949072994500458622008-10-20T09:50:00.000-05:002008-10-20T09:50:00.000-05:00Wow. "Turned gay" is so often used as a joke that...Wow. "Turned gay" is so often used as a joke that I can't imagine anyone taking it seriously - let alone the mean implication that a spouse could turn their partner gay.Norm!https://www.blogger.com/profile/10925789885737585791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3381314.post-81523161674345460322008-10-20T09:32:00.000-05:002008-10-20T09:32:00.000-05:00OK, so I'm not alone on this one, few. I've came ...OK, so I'm not alone on this one, few. I've came across some very complicated and sometimes harsh opinions on bisexuality. Like any sexual oreintation it is difficult to define. <BR/><BR/>Sometimes, I have to wonder if men who were once married to women and had sexual relations with them weren't bisexual and just simply wanted to be with a man for a change. In this instance, not a moment of being true to themselves by admitting they've been hiding a part of themselves, but a self-centred desire to have something different. <BR/><BR/>Once again I would agree that anyone defining themselves as bisexual ought to hounour the commitment they've made to their spouse. I don't believe that you're being harsh Pam. Once again it's one of those condition of the heart momments that each inidividual must account for in this life or the next. <BR/><BR/>As for myself I'm doing very well. I'm as happy as a pig in mud. I just had my first wedding anniversary yesterday (Oct. 19) and we have a little one the way, due Dec. 10. <BR/><BR/>I've been reading your blog quietly, not having much to add or ask and I read this post and I was aching to comment. Thank you for your response Pam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3381314.post-8827117411938688532008-10-19T23:09:00.000-05:002008-10-19T23:09:00.000-05:00HappyCT,I do remember visiting with you! How have ...HappyCT,<BR/><BR/>I do remember visiting with you! How have you been?<BR/><BR/>I don't talk much (or any) about bisexuality because it's not part of my experience. I do know that it exists. <BR/><BR/>But...well...it seems to me that if a man has made the commitment to his wife and he IS bisexual...well...that would be just too bad for him. He's made the commitment to his wife and he should honor it. Does that sound harsh? If he comes out as "gay" then he's "gay"...right? <BR/><BR/>Because of my Christian worldview, I must insist that people live with integrity towards one another sexually....be they gay, straight, or bi.gracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16353719852472577554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3381314.post-22969017629327720932008-10-19T22:55:00.000-05:002008-10-19T22:55:00.000-05:00Hi Pam, we communicated briefly almost 1 year. At...Hi Pam, we communicated briefly almost 1 year. At that time I was using the name Sacho, and if you can't remember it's not important. I read this post yesterday (Oct. 18) and I've been thinking about what you said on the subject of "turning" gay. Most people on here seem to speak in terms of gay and straight, and I was curious if the thought ever crossed your mind Pam, that some men might be bisexual on some level while being married to a woman before choosing to come out as gay?<BR/><BR/>I don't want to label people or anything, but sometimes, much like today, I wonder if anyone else out there has had similar thoughts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3381314.post-3343022159124008382008-10-18T13:08:00.000-05:002008-10-18T13:08:00.000-05:00Great post, Pam, which says a lot of things that r...Great post, Pam, which says a lot of things that really need saying.<BR/><BR/>Let's see some more posts with the label "bunniness" - evidently this label brings out the best in you :-DIainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685228974985888660noreply@blogger.com